小时候第一次看宝嘉康蒂,就看的第二部。 那时候年纪小,完全看不出这个故事是两个"王子"+一个"公主"的三角恋设定。 后来长大了些,重温这部电影,嘲讽一样的,原来公主殿下是选择了高富帅啊!没有什么不对的,如果我是公主,我也会这么选! 今天又看了一次第一部第二部,我的选择没有变。我还是选罗尔夫。 但我的理由变了。 如果我是公主,我会选择罗尔夫,因为他愿意放下一切陪我走,他知道我要的是什么,他维护了我和我族人的安危和尊严,而他跟我走,就是他更爱我最好的证明。 史密斯是白月光,是第一次心动,是初恋,是不打招呼就冒冒失失闯进我的生活和内心的第一个男人。他英俊,勇敢,善良,他也爱我,愿意了解我,但是后来我们重逢以后,一切都变了。 也许一切都没有变,他还是他。 他一直都是这样浪荡的漂泊的灵魂。 如果当时他没有受伤,他会不会安定的和我生活在我的热土? 这是未知的没有机会发生的事。 而罗尔夫,是肯定的,可以看到结局的未来。我选择他,又有什么错呢?
整理一下有关Pocahontas的史料,引自//www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/pocahontas
Pocahontas was a Native American woman born around 1595. She was the daughter of the powerful Chief Powhatan, the ruler of the Powhatan tribal nation, which at its strongest included around 30 Algonquian communities located in the Tidewater region of Virginia. As far as historians know, nothing in Pocahontas’ childhood indicated she would become known as a folk icon. But when the first European settlers arrived on Powhatan land to begin the colony of Jamestown, Pocahontas became embroiled in a series of events with Captain John Smith and John Rolfe that permanently linked her to America’s colonial heritage.
Pocahontas was named Amonute at birth and went by the name Matoaka. She supposedly earned the nickname Pocahontas, which means “playful one,” because of her happy, inquisitive nature.
As the daughter of Chief Powhatan, Pocahontas may have had more luxuries than many of her peers, but she still had to learn so-called women’s work such as farming, cooking, collecting herbs, building a house, making clothes, butchering meat and tanning hides.
The first English settlers arrived in Jamestown colony in May 1607. That winter, Pocahontas’ brother kidnapped colonist Captain John Smith and made a spectacle of him in front of several Powhatan tribes before taking him to meet Chief Powhatan.
According to Smith, his head was placed on two stones and a warrior prepared to smash his head and kill him. But before the warrior could strike, Pocahontas rushed to Smith’s side and placed her head on his, preventing the attack. Chief Powhatan then bartered with Smith, referred to him as his son and sent him on his way.(第一部里Pocahontas把头放在John Smith的头上面救他原来是有出处的!)
Smith’s account of Pocahontas’ lifesaving efforts is hotly debated, partly because he wrote different versions of this initial meeting with Chief Powhatan. Many historians believe Smith was never in peril and the placement of his head on the stones was ceremonial.(哈哈哈可能只是John Smith编出来的自己的冒险故事罢了)
Even so, if Smith’s explanation of the incident is true, he had no way of knowing about Powhatan ceremonial customs and from his terrified point of view, Pocahontas was undoubtedly his benevolent rescuer.
Pocahontas became known by the colonists as an important Powhatan emissary. She occasionally brought the hungry settlers food and helped successfully negotiate the release of Powhatan prisoners in 1608. But relations between the colonists and the Indians remained strained.
By 1609, drought, starvation and disease had ravaged the colonists and they became increasingly dependent on the Powhatan to survive. Desperate and dying, they threatened to burn Powhatan towns for food, so Chief Powhatan suggested a barter with Captain Smith.
When negotiations collapsed, the chief supposedly planned an ambush and Smith’s execution. But Pocahontas warned Smith of her father’s plans and saved his life again.
Soon after, Smith was injured and returned to England; however, Pocahontas and her father were told he died.
It’s thought that Pocahontas married an Indian named Kocoum in 1610. Afterwards, she avoided the English until 1613 when she was lured onto the English ship of Captain Samuel Argall and kidnapped during the First Anglo-Powhatan War.(Pocahontas是嫁给过Kocoum的!据其他补充材料说还是因为爱情——由于二人在部落里的地位悬殊推断)
Argall informed Chief Powhatan that he wouldn’t return Pocahontas unless he released English prisoners, returned stolen weapons and sent the colonists food. Much to Pocahontas’ dismay, her father only sent half the ransom and left her imprisoned.
While in captivity, Pocahontas lived in the settlement of Henricus under the care of a minister named Alexander Whitaker where she learned about Christianity, English culture and how to speak English. Pocahontas converted to Christianity, was baptized and given the name “Rebecca.”(被绑架了还要为和平而努力,Pocahontas不愧是xenophile中的优秀典范)
During her imprisonment, Pocahontas met widower and tobacco planter John Rolfe. The couple decided to marry, likely for both love and political purposes – although the decision wasn’t an easy one for the staunchly Christian Rolfe until Pocahontas converted.(真实的John Rolfe不是国王的大使,而是一个种烟草的鳏夫)
They sent word to Chief Powhatan that they wanted to marry; he consented as did the Virginia governor, Sir Thomas Dale. It’s unclear what happened to Pocahontas’ first husband, but divorce was allowed in Powhatan culture.(好先进的印第安文化,居然允许远程离婚)
Pocahontas married Rolfe in April 1614. The match was considered an important step towards re-establishing positive relations between the colonists and the Indians. Indeed, the marriage brought a season of peace to the region.
In 1616, Sir Thomas Dale sailed to England to rally financial support for the Virginia Company, the company owned by wealthy Londoners that had financed the Jamestown colony.(Virginia Company也是有原型的!)
The company also wanted to prove they had met their goal of converting Native Americans to Christianity, so Rolfe, Pocahontas, their infant son Thomas (born in 1615) and a dozen Powhatan Indians accompanied Dale on the trip.(有一个儿子Thomas)
In London, Pocahontas was revered as a princess and referred to as “Lady Rebecca Wolfe.” She attended plays and balls and was even presented to the royal family.(觐见国王也是有出处的)
Much to her surprise, Pocahontas encountered Captain Smith (whom she thought was dead) in London. Although she was overcome with emotion upon seeing him alive and called him “father,” she also reportedly chastised him for his treatment of Chief Powhatan and her people.(Pocahontas在伦敦见到了以为早死了的Smith,还叫他爸爸?(这里看不懂,算一下他俩年龄差不过15岁)但同时责怪他对自己父亲和人民不尊重)
The Virginia Company commissioned a portrait of Pocahontas dressed in expensive clothes with an engraved label that said, “Matoaka, alias Rebecca, daughter of the most powerful prince of the Powhatan Empire of Virginia.” It is the only image drawn of her in person.
In March 1617, Pocahontas, her husband and son set sail for Virginia. But they had hardly made progress when she became gravely ill and was taken ashore at Gravesend, England.
It’s uncertain what disease struck her down. Some speculate it was tuberculosis, pneumonia, dysentery or smallpox; others believe she was poisoned. According to Rolfe, Pocahontas said on her deathbed, “All must die. But ‘tis enough that my child liveth.”
Pocahontas was buried at St. George’s church in Gravesend on March 21, 1617. Rolfe returned to Virginia, but her son Thomas remained with relatives in England. He returned almost two decades later at age 20 to claim inheritances from his father and grandfather and became a successful gentleman tobacco farmer.(21岁去世,儿子后来也成了种烟草的……)
Chief Powhatan was devastated upon learning of his daughter’s death. He died about a year later and relations between the Powhatan and Virginia colonists declined rapidly.(可怜的酋长父亲在爱女死后一年也死掉了)
Much of Pocahontas’ life has been romanticized and sensationalized in movies and books. But written accounts and Native American oral history show she lived a brief yet significant life.
She was instrumental to maintaining relations between her father and the Jamestown colonists and is believed to be the first Powhatan Indian to convert to Christianity. She is remembered as a courageous, strong woman who left an indelible impression on colonial America.
二真的很好 看之前还觉得双男主不太能接受 看完之后想 我为什么没有在十年前看到这部动画 可以教会小孩子:爱情并不非得王子公主式的 从一而终 当两人走上不同道路时(其实片里许多地方暗示了smith和宝嘉康蒂理想已经完全不同了),分开并不是什么不对的事。也没有毁童话,谁说咬定一人就是完美的爱情呢? 不过美术真的不如一好…还有smith真的好帅啊 乌乌 尽管两个男主都不是我的菜 (硬要比的话我更喜欢John的性格 每次他碎碎念我能笑半天 John也真正能理解宝嘉康蒂) 但还是!!!酒馆里的黑兜帽黑斗篷smith帅飞了啊!!!佐罗再世 还有个地方我笑得不行 去战斗的时候smith优雅地挥佩剑 半天没打完 然后john勾勾嘴角看着他笑(好配啊他俩…)把门上的木头卸了 狂冲下去把人全撞飞……英国优雅绅士和混混水手哈哈哈哈哈好鲜明 (两个男主特别和谐友好 他俩背对背杀敌真的好有cp感 我建议他俩在一起吧 让宝嘉康蒂专心当大女主不好吗)
宝嘉康蒂套上束腰礼裙抹了白粉就没有之前热辣动人的美了 幸好她最后变回来了 强行把自己箍进礼服里学英国礼仪的她 转变为穿着自己族人的衣服 自信地说“我相信国王陛下 绝对不会拒绝 一位远方公主的觐见吧” 害 好飒 果然我永远抵抗不了老套却燃的剧情
这部评分不明白怎么这么低 第一部确实更唯美 结尾收束也很漂亮 但思想内涵我认为是2更棒
先看完的二才去看的一,本以为一里面宝嘉康蒂没爱上史密斯,所以二里面心安理得和罗在一起了(当然爱上了但是史密斯死了另求它爱也不是不可以)但是看了一以后发现他们好像爱的很深刻(虽然这个感情线推的太快了)。不过二里面也没有怎么交代为什么史密斯明明活着不给宝嘉写信告诉她,最后居然一里的男主尊重祝福了女主与二里的男主(有画面刻画一里男主花心的形象),据说二才是历史原版,但是回过头来看一我宁愿女主与一里的男主没有相爱过,他们两个只是很好的朋友。迪士尼是没想到要拍二吗??同样是有色人种,我认为《公主与青蛙》是这几部里面拍的最好的,至少这个公主是靠自己发家致富不恋爱脑且勤劳勇敢的(迪士尼总是把黄种人都画的很刻板印象,不论是花木兰还是宝嘉)最主要的是宝嘉康蒂的剧本写的不是很好,剧情转折的突兀,并且人物的情绪铺垫不到位,在副角上着墨过多。不过,最大的惊喜(惊讶)就是第一次看到双男主的公主剧本。
这是我看过第一个迪士尼公主能在如此至死不渝的承诺中,脱颖而出的一位伟人。是她使我对迪士尼构思的美好景愿毁于一旦,那么多公主都是忠贞不渝的爱恋一位男主。
可康宝莉嘉在干嘛,我带着第一部的遗憾来找了第二部看看结局,结果却让我大跌眼镜。为何女人能如此薄情,我的三观遭受了冲击,难道海誓山盟的爱情誓言连童话故事里都看不见了吗?
我本以为迪士尼是我心灵深处存放的美好念想,能给我的所思所想增添一丝色彩,毕竟很多公主和她经历的故事都使我流连忘返,回味无穷。
可如今呢,这部风中奇缘2把我美好的憧憬彻底击碎了。我不反对换掉了一的男主,我也不认为第二部的男主又比第一部差劲。相反两位都是我心中都是不错的,可我不能接受喜欢一个又换另一个做对象的剧情。
我就是不接受迪士尼的公主能做出这种事情,公主欸,迪士尼的公主!
我怀疑曾经看过的公主是否仍旧幸福快乐下去,难不成她们也要见一个爱一个么,颠覆了我的三观。
如此温柔善良的公主,能轻易抛弃曾经的所爱,这和现实又有什么区别,可现实中并没有公主啊,那我心中的公主们已然变味了。
事到如今,我也只能接受的是samiti配不她,真是气抖冷,不断找籍口安慰自己。你说第一部,第二部的男主都是同一人该多好,或是罗,又或者都是samiti。
我喜欢看海枯石烂的爱情故事,永远白首不分离才好。
是我不太理解美国的文化和外界各种因素造成了这种局面,给我心里添了重重的一堵,我得要多久才能缓解舒心呢。
行吧!我只能安慰自己,单但仅有这么一位特殊些的公主是这样的,其他的公主们,依旧是白头到老,用不分离,永不放弃自己的所爱,至生如此。
独白:你并没有破防(是的,我破防了)在此我为罗和宝的爱情献上真挚祝福(郁闷)
安慰部分
第一部男主和公主感情一定不够深吧(对,还没达到至死不渝的地步呢)
第一部男主和公主一定不会互相思念对方,因为他们的心根本合不到一起。
第一部男主真讨厌啊,我比较喜欢的是第二部的罗,他才是我要接受的。(自欺欺人罢了)
新男主上位,原男主从恋人被降格成了打手,即使是要按角色历史原型矫正配对儿,也该有个让人信服的过程而不是如此草率敷衍。第一部海枯石烂,第二部曲终人散,这让人往后还怎么再相信迪士尼的爱情故事呢。
如此一厢情愿的白人视角。现实中的Pocahontas被英国的settlers抓为人质,强行baptize,嫁给John Rolfe后的短短三年里,依次发生了生下儿子、远航到伦敦、以及最终感染疾病死在伦敦。这么闹心的故事迪士尼也可以capitalize,厉害厉害。
感觉比第一部差了很多,一个很大的问题,就是把异域女主的故事放到帝国伦敦,女主所有的闪光都失色了,一句,我们走过山水,我已寻得归宿,让人神伤…
貌似不如一
异地恋终被绿
制作质量大幅下降,而且角色性格也变了,变心变得那叫一个快
虽然是宝嘉康蒂的后人要求的……可是真的比第一部精彩!而且破天荒的因为理想的发展分歧竟然换了个男人!好真实!
我真的觉得这是唯一一部迪士尼动画女主换了俩男主的
记不得剧情,只记得音乐
John Smith成了个死跑龙套的,但Pocahontas终跟另一个John成眷属。
怎么能在第二部就爱上另一个人````
Shit, 不说别的,关于爱情第二部完全背离了第一部,太恶了。也没了梅尔吉布森,太让我是忘了。幸亏不是同一个导演。真后悔看第二部了
四颗星给编剧的婊子心肠,时刻瞄准靠谱的白人青年波卡洪塔斯真是所有向往文明社会土著青年男女的精神偶像
爱的莫名其妙,幼稚可笑。没人说女主不应该追求真正的幸福,只是对于这样的时间内要讲述的故事被弱智化了,前作的一切铺陈也都被打散!编剧你并不懂童话,更不懂爱情。【这片子毁了我对异性恋的忍耐力】
不如1好
更喜欢第二部也更喜欢第二部的john
POCAHONTAS一直是最喜欢的迪士尼公主,翻来覆去看了很多很多遍。不过第二部昨天才第一次看,没想到竟是这样的结局....好伤心【【PS动画做的真够烂
无聊
行吧,迪士尼治好了我的补续集强迫症……到后面已经放弃思考开始yy双john搞基啦啦啦……怀疑迪士尼在这里试水了电脑建模技术= =
美术比第一部差了不少,难怪是只出了dvd版本的! 最不能接受的是她和john smith分手,跟了那个新的男人!虽然我理解历史上确实最后是嫁了这个人,但是第一部里两人那么相爱,结果就这么轻描淡写地分了?john smith在第二部里不管是长相还是性格都被故意刻画得比较糟糕。